This article is written for those that have taken Harner-style, Core Shamanic Journey lessons but still have difficulty either journeying to the other realms or meeting their spirit guardians.
Firstly, I want you to know that you are not alone. Some people journey successfully right away and others take months. There is no grading system in shamanic journeying. There is no shame or blame. We all have different roads and truly, they are all sacred.
In my years of teaching shamanic journey, the biggest barrier I have seen that my students run into is when they think they are not journeying -when they really are! Because their journeys do not match their expectations, they belittle and dismiss their experiences. I have had many discussions with people in class who say, “I wasn’t able to journey.” Then, when I ask them what happen, a story comes out that is really quite wonderful.
Here are some common mindsets that can hinder a journey experience:
- The journeyer expects a “successful” journey to be fantastical and mind-blowing.
- The journeyer feels like they need to pass or fail a test about whether they can journey.
- The journeyer expects their journey to be visual.
Many cultures believe that everyone has helping spirits. They just might not be aware of them. Shamanic journey is an opportunity to do this. Because these spirits have already been around us, many people have a strong sense of familiarity when they meet their guardian spirits, instead of a shiny new experience.
Shamanic journey is not about gaining abilities. It is about going to a place where you can say hello to your helping spirits. Be curious. Lighten up. Have fun. Try to hold a combination of childlike wonder and thoughtful navigation at the same time.
Because language in the spirit realms is different than in our realm, one can expect to receive information from any of their senses. One can feel their environment, smell or know what is happening around them more than they see. This is perfectly valid! A person could be a visual artist in the waking world but not see strongly in the spirit realms. How we perceive fluctuates over time and the intensity waxes and wanes.
Simply put, we all have our own way.
Overall, my advice is to release any expectations of what you think the journey will be like. Lead with your heart, not your mind. Allow yourself to be vulnerable with the spirits. And be confident. Greatly, self-confidence is necessary to open oneself to new possibilities. If you are completely frustrated with yourself, I would ask you to brave on and trust in the process. This kind of effort is recognized by the spirits.
Following, is a list of problems I have heard people talk about over the years and possible solutions to them. I have been gathering these gems over the past few years from various shamanic communities. Some might resonate with you and some may not, but it only takes one to open a new door.

The power runs out of the journey.
Sometimes our mind rushes ahead of the journey and then the journey peters out. Don’t judge yourself for going off. There may have been a good purpose to it. Maybe spirit showed you something that immediately related to a part of your life and you needed to digest it for a few minutes. Many very experienced shamanic journeyers encounter this from time to time.
Things you can do:
- Play the “What If?” game. Ask yourself what the journey would be like if it was going magnificently and then step into that reality.
- Go back to the way you came until you arrive at where you last felt the power. Take a moment and follow the scent.
The spirit runs away from you.
- In this case, the answer to your journey question will likely be metaphorical, exemplified by the journey they are about to take you on. Follow the spirit.
You think that nothing is happening.
I must say, there is no such thing as nothing. There is definitely something happening.
Try this:
- Slow down and become very, very aware.
- Check into all of your senses one by one.
- Do not dismiss anything as unimportant. Feel into it and then decided.
- Be curious.
You are physically stuck at the beginning of the journey.
I have heard of people finding themselves in a black box or facing a wall. I must ask, “What is stuck, really?” It’s very curious. If you were a child, you would know exactly what to do in these situations:
- Merge through the wall.
- Find a crack in the wall/floor to slip through.
- Sink through the ground.
You think you are not getting anywhere.
Sometimes where you are going takes a long time to get there. Sometimes the getting-there is a metaphor for you to learn from. Keep going through the darkness/whiteness, the tunnel as long as it takes, trusting there will be an end to it. Ask for help from the spirits, with the yearning in your heart that you want to meet them.
The journey is happening but it is very faint.
- Go down or up a few more levels.
There are many levels in the upper/lower worlds. Let say I go into the trunk of a tree and then plummet down until I land and there is an opening that leads somewhere. If I go back into the tree, I can go down further, asking to be in a deeper lower-world aspect of the same place.
No one is there to greet you
- If you have met a guide before, telepathically ask them to meet you at the entrance to the lower world before starting your journey.
- Get very, very still and notice everything you can about your surroundings. Perhaps someone is there but you are too stressed to notice.
- Put out a call with your heart (not your mind) to the spirits.
- Go explore the area, feel with your heart where is more nourishing to you. There is a lot to learn from the environment.
- Try a different day. Make offerings to the spirits on your altar and bring non-physical offerings for them in your next journey.

The spirit seems distant or is ignoring you.
- Ask yourself if they are really ignoring you or if you are not paying attention to what they are showing you in nonverbal ways.
- Just hang out with them to get used to their presence. Enjoy.
- Give them a gift.
- Try to communicate with them telepathically.
- Ask them how to get to know them better.
- Ask them if they are there to guide you. If they say no, ask them to take you to a guide that wants to work with you.
- Power up and insist that you need to understand what is going on.
The guide doesn’t have a clear face or shape and won’t reveal it’s name.
This is actually common in journeys and there is a good reason for it. For some of us, if we are not able to name or see clearly a guide, it becomes easier to interact with the multidimensionality and mystery of that being.
You are confused about where you are or what the guide is doing or saying.
Ask questions. You are a sovereign being and get to be an equal partner in these interactions.
You wonder if you are making the journey up.
- Ask yourself, “How do you know you are not making it up?”
The cultures that practice shamanism have very different world views than modern cultures do. One of these views is that everything has a spirit. Another view, for some cultures, is that there is no such thing as fantasy. Every experience is true. Knowing that one cultural mindset is not more real than another is a gift that the field of anthropology give us.
The more important question is “Is this experience helping me in my life?”. Shamanism is about trial and error, not faith.
- Send the inner mental judges to a luxurious sanctuary, far, far away until you’ve been journeying for a while. Later, you can make your own conclusions about whether this practice is useful for you.

Long-time guides in the middle world through another spiritual practice who are used to meeting you in the middle world are not meeting you in the upper/lower world.
You guides may not understand why you want to communicate with them in a new way, so you might need to telepathically let them know before you journey that you want to meet them in these other worlds. If they still show up right when you close your eyes, tell them where you are going and ask them to meet you there. The advantage of being able to travel with them is you can expand your personal spiritual cosmology and encounter things you cannot encounter in the middle world. Explain this to them.
It is also possible that the spirits that want to meet you in the upper/lower realms are not the same spirits. Spirits often play specific roles in our lives so try to have an open mind. Perhaps your personal pantheon is about to expand.
You were able to journey before but now you are having trouble.
- Are you cutting corners on creating sacred space before you journey?
- Are you trying to get to the lower world a different way you did when you were able to journey? Go back to the way that worked for you.
- Have you done something to insult, dismiss, belittle or dishonor the spirit? (boasting, neglect, behaving in an uncompassionate manner).
- Check your attitude around you relationship with the guide. Are you in true partnership or are you using them to ‘get’ what you want? Try having a journey just to give them a hug and enjoy them.
Outside Help
Lastly, it might be helpful to get some private sessions with a shamanic practitioner. Here, you would be able to talk through your journey experiences and even talk your journey out loud while you are having it so you can get help in the moment. A practitioner could also journey for you to find out what the issues is or do a power animal retrieval for you.
Resources
It can be very inspiring to go back to the basics, no matter how much training you have had. The classics may have little jewels you missed the first time around:
The Way of the Shaman by Michael Harner
Cave and Cosmos by Michael Harner
Shamanic Journeying by Sandra Ingerman

I hope this helps and if you have any more suggestions that worked for you, add them in the comments!
Tasara Jen Stone










